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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, November 2 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1294<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: Re Imperial Known Space<BR>
Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: Niven Books<BR>
Re: Paying for health care<BR>
Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
RE: Paying for health care<BR>
Re: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
Re: [ot] One Day in Peace<BR>
Re: Critical Mass<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1293<BR>
Known Space map<BR>
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1293<BR>
Fiery<BR>
Re: Imperial Known Space<BR>
Re: The Alderson Drive -<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
Re: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
Medical Insurance<BR>
CT Fighting Ships<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:38:17 EST<BR>
From: GypsyComet@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Re Imperial Known Space<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU> asks:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Hmmm...there was a grayscale map I saw a loooonngg time ago, posted on the<BR>
>old home of the Traveller Chronicle...was _that_ the map you're talking<BR>
>about?<BR>
><BR>
>there are copies of that at:<BR>
><BR>
>http://www.u.arizona.edu/~bjohnson/images/Sectmap.jpg<BR>
><BR>
>http://www.u.arizona.edu/~bjohnson/images/Sectmap2.jpg<BR>
><BR>
>I was under the impression that this stuff was non-canon...just cool.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
The map you URL above extends beyond the old GDW wall-map by<BR>
two sectors or more on the rimward, trailing, and coreward sides,<BR>
and one sector on the spinward side. Everything in that area is<BR>
non-canon. The sector names are pretty wild and divergent also.<BR>
Either someone did this map a VERY long time ago or decided to<BR>
utterly ignore published sector names, since the only correct names<BR>
beyond the Imperial Atlas 5x7 are the Paranoia Press sectors, three<BR>
Vargr/Ziru Sirka sectors, Zhdant (Galanglicized to Zhodane), and<BR>
a handful of the K'kree and Hiver sectors. <BR>
<BR>
 The GDW wall-map was reproduced in a few places. One that I<BR>
recall was an early issue of Different Worlds...<BR>
<BR>
GC<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:35:26 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
At 10:48 PM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Windows 95 OSR 2.5 (with USB support).  Can't afford NT and I'm not sure all<BR>
>my software would work on NT anyway.<BR>
<BR>
A move to 98 might help (then again, it might hurt...)  Most people I've <BR>
spoken to have gotten better system performance, especially on higher end <BR>
machines from 98.  OTOH, some people (especially those lacking memory/HD <BR>
space) got terrible results.... I've been using 98 for a while now and <BR>
prefer it to 95.<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:47:52 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Niven Books<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Douglas E. Berry <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 12:41 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Niven Books<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> At 03:00 PM 11/1/1999 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
> >Hi all.  A little late on this, but I thought I'd note that Niven's<BR>
latest<BR>
> >book, "Destiny's Road", takes place in the same universe as "The Integral<BR>
> >Trees", "The Smoke Ring" and "A World Out of Time".  DR is a pretty good<BR>
> >book, too!  Not his best, but with Niven that still puts it way ahead of<BR>
> >most of the crap out there.<BR>
><BR>
> Actually, we don't know if Destiny's Road (or it's two bretheren stories<BR>
> Legacy of Heorot and Beowulf's Children) are set in the State.  For one<BR>
> thing, the colonists in LoH used cold sleep to get to Tau Ceti, with some<BR>
> severe side effects, something that what's his name in AWooT didn't have<BR>
to<BR>
> deal with.<BR>
<BR>
Frankly I'd be surprised if it turned out that Legacy of Heorot or Beowulf's<BR>
Children had anything to do with the "State", the culture portrayed by the<BR>
colonists in Legacy was nothing like that in "State". It was much closer to<BR>
"current earth norm".<BR>
<BR>
Having not seen DR, I can't comment on that, but if it;s relatd to the other<BR>
two, I'd agree with Doug.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:07:12 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Paying for health care<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Erwin Fritz <efritz@GLJA.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 4:30 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Paying for health care<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Ian Ferguson wrote:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Eris Reddoch writes:<BR>
> > <snipped><BR>
> > >Frankly, I think, a lot of us play the medical system as being<BR>
> > >pretty much free as well.  When's the last time you asked a PC<BR>
> > >for an insurance card or denied them medical care until they<BR>
> > >paid, or showed that they could pay for the care? <g><BR>
> ><BR>
> >         That happened the last time that a PC went to a hospital<BR>
> >         for care IMTU.  Gee, Eris, I pictured you as a much<BR>
> >         nastier GM than that  ;)<BR>
><BR>
> Actually, IMTU the PCs must pay for health care, or the hospital gets very<BR>
> annoyed. Health insurance is funded by megacorporations, so if you don't<BR>
work<BR>
> for one, first aid is a cash business.<BR>
<BR>
Me too !<BR>
<BR>
We have various levels of medical cover.<BR>
<BR>
"Gold Card" level means the medics will come in with their own fire team and<BR>
extract you from a hot zone in order to fix you up. But it's expensive !<BR>
<BR>
Silver means they'll come and get you as long as it's not too dangerous, i.e<BR>
there isn't a firefight going on.<BR>
<BR>
Standard means you have to get to them.<BR>
<BR>
Economy means not only do you have to get to them, but they'll only look at<BR>
you if they've get nothing else to do.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:16:09 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
<BR>
Leonard Erickson wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> In mail you write:<BR>
> <BR>
> >>A nice touch for such a planet might be that nothing s "illegal" per<BR>
> >>se. It's just that there's a fine/fee for doing it. With some things<BR>
> >>carrying *really* high fees.<BR>
> >><BR>
<<snips description of variable fines for violent crimes, apparently<BR>
based on the perceived value of the victim>><BR>
> <BR>
> A question for the readers at large. Is this a *high* Law Level world<BR>
> or a low one? Think about it.<BR>
<BR>
Regardless of law level, it's probably a Government Type 9 (Impersonal<BR>
Bureaucracy), with law level dependent on what types of activities are<BR>
subject to fines.  If, as in the examples snipped from the preceding<BR>
post, only violence against another sophont is fined (with fines<BR>
apparently based on the perceived social value of the victim), then that<BR>
seems to be a low law level.  OTOH, if spitting in public (for instance)<BR>
is subject to fines (with the amount [for off-worders] possibly based on<BR>
the level of quarantine the offender endured prior to the offense [more<BR>
quarantine = less chance of infectious disease = smaller fine]), then<BR>
that would be a fairly high law level.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:13:45 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
Well sure.  Criminals will always have access to any weapons type,<BR>
regardless of the laws of the city, state, or country that they're in.<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 9:04 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Like I said, I'm not sure.  I know for instance that I can't go to Nevada<BR>
>and pick up a mil-style semi auto and import it into CA since CA is so<BR>
>uptight about said weapons type.<BR>
<BR>
Maybe not legally, but if you got it into your head to go to Nevada,<BR>
buy a semi-auto gun, and bring it back home to California, what could<BR>
possibly stop you? Sure, if/when you finally decided to use it you'd<BR>
get your butt nailed to the wall on the weapons offence, but that would<BR>
be after the fact. That's why gun laws at anything less than a national<BR>
level are doomed to failure.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada<BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:53:44 -0600<BR>
From: "Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
Subject: RE: Paying for health care<BR>
<BR>
On 11/01/99 at 10:34 AM,  Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca> said:<BR>
<BR>
>>Frankly, I think, a lot of us play the medical system as being<BR>
>>pretty much free as well.  When's the last time you asked a PC<BR>
>>for an insurance card or denied them medical care until they<BR>
>>paid, or showed that they could pay for the care? <g><BR>
<BR>
>	That happened the last time that a PC went to a hospital<BR>
>	for care IMTU.  Gee, Eris, I pictured you as a much<BR>
>	nastier GM than that  ;)<BR>
<BR>
I didn't say I fell into that category.  As Bruce said, my bunch<BR>
travels with their own doctor.  <g><BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
AKU GM<BR>
- -- <BR>
- -----------------------------------------------------------<BR>
"Eris Reddoch" <eris@pcola.gulf.net>    using MR/2 ICE #245<BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:23:02 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> ***WARNING:  I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV.  Any<BR>
> assumption that the following is valid legal advice is unwarranted; the<BR>
> following is based on a layman's opinion of common sense.***<BR>
<BR>
Ditto.<BR>
<BR>
> If there is, in fact, a valid law or regulation against contact with<BR>
> extraterrestials, then that law or regulation should only apply to those<BR>
> who could have known of it.  In other words, if I'm not _allowed_ to<BR>
> know the law or regulation, I shouldn't be held liable for violating it.<BR>
<BR>
I'd tend to argue from the "no ex post facto laws"[1] clause in the<BR>
Constitution. I'd argue that if I can't know about the law until<BR>
*after* I've violated it, then it is *effectively* an ex post facto law<BR>
and therefore not allowed under the Constitution. <BR>
<BR>
> ***WARNING:  The above is not intended to be construed as legal advice. <BR>
> The above-posted information is only a layman's view of common sense.***<BR>
<BR>
Ditto<BR>
<BR>
[1] An "ex post facto" (from the Latin for "after the fact") law is one<BR>
that makes illegal actions that occured *before* the law was passed.<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 21:29:03 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: [ot] One Day in Peace<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Robert Prior wrote:<BR>
>>Comrade Hudson, our infiltration of the evil capitalist propaganda<BR>
 <BR>
This caused a quick double-take on my part. I originally read "Comrade<BR>
Hudson" as "Conrad Hodson" the name of an old friend. :-)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:23:00 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: Critical Mass<BR>
<BR>
> >Q: Why do the English drink warm beer?<BR>
> >a: Lucas Refrigerators...<BR>
<BR>
Nah, beer is _supposed_ to be drunk warm.<BR>
This stupid insistence of making it cold has ruined the whole concept of<BR>
beer.<BR>
<BR>
> One I found in one of those free sheets given away in Borders:<BR>
><BR>
> q: Why don't the British make computers?<BR>
> a: they haven't found a way of getting one to leak oil<BR>
<BR>
Which of course ignores the fact that the British have always made the best<BR>
computers<BR>
( The BBC model B, and the later ARM based systems. )<BR>
 <grin><BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:27:23 -0800<BR>
From: Ken Hagler <khagler@orange-road.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1293<BR>
<BR>
> Maybe not legally, but if you got it into your head to go to Nevada,<BR>
> buy a semi-auto gun, and bring it back home to California, what could<BR>
> possibly stop you?<BR>
<BR>
The gun store in Nevada wouldn't sell it to you, for one. When you buy a<BR>
gun, you have to give them ID, and they'll say, "sorry, we can't sell you<BR>
that because it's illegal in California." Of course, you could always buy<BR>
illegally from a private individual, but you don't need to go to Nevada for<BR>
that--there are plenty of street corners in LA.<BR>
- -- <BR>
                                 Ken Hagler<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 01:29:32 EST<BR>
From: GypsyComet@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Known Space map<BR>
<BR>
The aforementioned wall map of known space was found in black-on-white <BR>
(instead of red-on-black) in Different Worlds #9, in an article on 'The <BR>
Imperium."<BR>
<BR>
GC<BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 22:49:27 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1293<BR>
<BR>
Not for Mama DeGraff's little boy ;D  I got lost in the Watts area of LA at<BR>
2am one time on my way to, get this, Disneyland.  We were wandering around<BR>
trying to find an open gas station.  FINALLY found one.  I go up to the<BR>
window to pre-pay, and the place has bullet-proof glass (bullet resistant<BR>
Lexan lest someone correct me ;) that had to have been 3 1/2" thick.  At<BR>
HEAD level, there were something like something like 4 or 5 shotgun slugs<BR>
imbedded in the Lexan!!  Someone wanted in there bad, but didn't make it.<BR>
<BR>
BTW, I know EXACTLY what a 12ga. shotgun slug looks like in that stuff<BR>
because I used to have a slab of it (mine was 1 1/2 - 1 3/4") that I got<BR>
from a guy that worked for DuPont or some such.  Met him out at the BLM land<BR>
that used to be near my house, back when you could still plink on BLM land.<BR>
This was when I still had my SPAS-12 (never sell a gun for rent money,<BR>
you'll hate yourself later!) so several rounds from that went into my hunk<BR>
o' Lexan.  Also into it went 9mm, .303 British, 7.62x39mm Russian, and 7mm<BR>
Remington Magnum.  The .303 perforated the back side, the Russian only<BR>
dimpled it, and the 7mm blew enough through it that I'd not want to be on<BR>
the other side :)<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>The gun store in Nevada wouldn't sell it to you, for one. When you buy a<BR>
>gun, you have to give them ID, and they'll say, "sorry, we can't sell you<BR>
>that because it's illegal in California." Of course, you could always buy<BR>
>illegally from a private individual, but you don't need to go to Nevada for<BR>
>that--there are plenty of street corners in LA.<BR>
>--<BR>
>                                 Ken Hagler<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 23:06:09 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Fiery<BR>
<BR>
Ya' know, Rob Caswell's illustrations and deckplans for the Fiery Class<BR>
Gunned Escort are beautiful, but when you really look at the geometry of the<BR>
nose area and how the hull joins the nose, the angles are impossible (though<BR>
not quite as bad as the Type T ;)  I've just started work on the Fiery while<BR>
waiting for "Starports" shots to render.<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:23:34 -0800<BR>
From: Jerry Paul Sanders <timmon@primenet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Imperial Known Space<BR>
<BR>
At 12:38 AM 11/2/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
> The GDW wall-map was reproduced in a few places. One that I<BR>
>recall was an early issue of Different Worlds...<BR>
><BR>
>GC<BR>
<BR>
Correct - and due to the frequent requests for it on the list, I've scanned<BR>
it, touched it up a bit, printed it out on  11x17 sheets and included it as<BR>
an extra in the supplements package... hopefully, it'll be helpful for<BR>
those who don't have tons of old rpg magazines sitting around like I do :)<BR>
<BR>
L8r,<BR>
Paul<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:32:18 +1300<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: The Alderson Drive -<BR>
<BR>
> > to emerge from the continuum universe you must exit with<BR>
> > precisely the same  potential energy (measured in terms<BR>
> > of the fifth force,  not gravity) as you<BR>
> > entered. You must also have zero kinetic energy relative<BR>
> > to a complex set of coordinates that we won't discuss<BR>
> > here. [note, I'm not sure if this is just<BR>
> > a handwave to avoid relativity, or if they really did<BR>
> > come up with some set of coordinates - frankie]<BR>
><BR>
> Knowing Pournelle, they did.<BR>
<BR>
The thing that makes me suspect this is that it seems to imply  a privileged<BR>
reference frame, which at the time they wrote this was not considered<BR>
particularly acceptable physics..<BR>
<BR>
While I suspect that what they may have meant is zero kinetic enrrgy<BR>
relative to some axes that map the two Alderson points at each end of the<BR>
jump, I _think_ this this still implies a privileged reference frame, as I<BR>
_think_ it implies that if you can have zero kinetic energy relative to both<BR>
of these two points then somehow these two points must also have zero<BR>
kinetic energy relative to each other, and how can a "point" in space (as<BR>
opposed to a particle) actually have kinetic energy ?<BR>
<BR>
Then again, this sort of stuff is a bit beyond me.<BR>
<BR>
It would make more sense to me if they had said "must emerge at a point that<BR>
has the same gravitational  (or "fifth force" ) _potential_ energy"  rather<BR>
than actual kinetic energy.<BR>
<BR>
But that's probably because it's sort of how the drive we wrote for our own<BR>
space game worked, you were precipitated out of jump when your "kinetic"<BR>
energy was cancelled by the force of the "anti-gravity" well of the star you<BR>
were heading for. The higher the gravitational potential energy, the harder<BR>
it was to translate, but once translated the "antii-gravity" of the nearest<BR>
star, (possibly affected by planets ) accellerated you rapidly away from the<BR>
current star, and then you cruised until you hit your target star. If you<BR>
missed you'd keep going until you hit a gravity well capable of stopping<BR>
you.  Oh, and you could "bounce off" an "anti-gravity" well if you didn't<BR>
hit it dead on, and get accelerated away again if you never slowed down<BR>
enough to emerge.<BR>
<BR>
What this meant was that the closest to a gravity well you went into jump,<BR>
the faster you went, but also the more energy it took to make the<BR>
transition. This would seem to imply jump stations on planet would be the<BR>
best, but we had the jumpers maintain the kinetic relative to the target<BR>
star they had on translation, which meant jumping planet to planet, while<BR>
theoretically possible, was too dangerous.<BR>
<BR>
Also, as planet's affected your course in jump, it required extremely<BR>
accurate knowledge of the target system to aim at a planet, aiming at the<BR>
star was a _lot_ easier , and missing by even a little could result in<BR>
travelling onward to somewhere else.<BR>
<BR>
So, the use of jump as a weapon was possible but very unreliable, and of<BR>
course if you did it to someone , they'd do it to you.<BR>
<BR>
The other thing we liked was that there was a theoretical upper limit to how<BR>
far you could jump from a star, but it was limited by the size of the star<BR>
and the amount of power you had, not some arbitrary technology.  All of a<BR>
sudden, dense stars took on strategic significance, someone positioned at a<BR>
neutron star had a much greater operational range, assunming they could<BR>
generate enough power.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> > Travel by Alderson Drive consists of getting to the proper Alderson<BR>
Point<BR>
> > and turning on the Drive [ Note that the "technical" description implies<BR>
> > there is a continuous "line" of such points between each pair of stars,<BR>
but<BR>
> > that seems to be ignored here - frankie]<BR>
><BR>
> I think that the Zero-energy & "complex axes" rules combine to make<BR>
> only two points along the line possible entry/exit points.<BR>
><BR>
> For example, consider the required "energy level" to be a plane. The<BR>
> tramline between a pair of stars will only intersect that plane two,<BR>
> one, or zero times.<BR>
><BR>
> If it intersects twice, you've got a pair of Alderson points. If it<BR>
> intersects *once* you've got a useless Alderson point (the zero-energy<BR>
plane<BR>
> intersects the fifth-force "surface" at the mid point of the saddle).<BR>
> If it intersects zero times, then all of the saddle is below the zero<BR>
> point level, and thus, there's no usable tramline between those stars.<BR>
<BR>
Yes, that makes sense.<BR>
<BR>
Frankie<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:00:34 -0800<BR>
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)<BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
>From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
...<BR>
>>Yes, it's obvious that our attempts to destroy Canadian society and turn<BR>
>>it into a shadow of the United States have met with repeated failure.<BR>
>>Our scientists continue to study methods of dealing with the Menace of<BR>
>>the North.<BR>
><BR>
>Comrade Hudson, our infiltration of the evil capitalist propaganda machine<BR>
>is vorking. Zoon it vill be time for our zecret pre-emptive counterattack...<BR>
><BR>
>And zey zuspect not'ing....<BR>
<BR>
  And they'll never find out either - it's not like "Entertainment <BR>
Tonight" does investigative reporting :><BR>
<BR>
  Besides, the poor fools _can't_ destroy Canadian society, as the PQ<BR>
have already proven that there is no such thing :)<BR>
<BR>
------------------------------<BR>
<BR>
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:03:00 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 6:15 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cultural Differences<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> On 30 Oct 99, at 12:50, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > I think there's a high level of social control in AMERICA.  Total<BR>
> > strangers will come up to you and tell you that you shouldn't smoke,<BR>
> > you're too fat to eat this or that, God help you if you're pregnant and<BR>
> > you dare to eat anything in public because someone will have an opinion<BR>
> > about it... Complete outsiders will comment on your clothing, break into<BR>
> > your quiet conversation about a relationship problem to tell you to<BR>
"Dump<BR>
> > the bastard!", or dump all their problems on you.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > People walk right up to you and ask you to change your religion, and<BR>
> > they're not respectful about it either.  I've been asked really rude<BR>
> > questions by people I had never seen before about pentacles, prayer<BR>
beads,<BR>
> > etc.  People stand outside of clinics and shout at you about medical<BR>
> > procedures they disapprove of.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > And yet... you can leave your trash can right out in the damn street<BR>
where<BR>
> > someone could trip over it and break their neck, and no one cares.<BR>
><BR>
> This makes me feel that there are more good points to New Zealand than<BR>
> I realised - aside from a very few anti-abortionists outside clinics<BR>
> this sort of thing only happens to politicians, and recent events<BR>
> suggest that the protesters are more at risk from the politicians than<BR>
> vice versa.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
And Australia... we are pretty laid back out here compared.  And the women<BR>
from Utah that stayed with us for 3-weeks loved our Coke-a-Cola made with<BR>
*real* sugar (as opposed to corn syrup?)... Oh, and that lamb chops were<BR>
cheap enough to eat every night if they wanted!!!!  Talk about an<BR>
eye-opener... little things like that...<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 00:45:41 +0100<BR>
From: Ewan Quibell <E.D.Quibell@bton.ac.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
<BR>
Why ? is SJ Games in contact with the Vilani ? :-)<BR>
<BR>
Ewan<BR>
<BR>
Loren Wiseman wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> Gentle beings:<BR>
> <BR>
> I assume we have someone on the TML who is acquainted with legal web<BR>
> searches and government regulations who can track this down for us? This<BR>
> was recently sent to Steve Jackson:<BR>
> <BR>
> >This is interesting. It looks bogus, but then the government is full of<BR>
> >idiots. I could not find any such law in the CFR web database, but that<BR>
> >database is not exactly user-friendly, and the goober who wrote the article<BR>
> >didn't use standard CFR notation. nybody want to surf a bit and see if<BR>
> >there is<BR>
> >something to this?<BR>
> ><BR>
> >><BR>
> >>Interesting story about it being illegal in your country to contact aliens.<BR>
> >><BR>
> >>http://www.crs4.it/~mameli/ALIEN/leggeUSA.html<BR>
> <BR>
> Any light that can be shed on this topic would be appreciated.<BR>
> <BR>
> Loren Wiseman<BR>
>      Art Director  / Traveller Line Editor<BR>
>      Traveller Guru-in-Residence<BR>
>      SJ Games<BR>
>      LKW@IO.COM<BR>
>      (512) 447-7866 VOX<BR>
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<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:37:45 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Medical Insurance<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Eris Reddoch <eris@pcola.gulf.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:53 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Taxation (off topic then back on topic)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> Ob Trav:  It appears that schools and universities are generally<BR>
> free in the OTU as well.  Otherwise, PC's would have the strong<BR>
> possibility of having outstanding loans after graduating.  Frankly,<BR>
> I think, a lot of us play the medical system as being pretty much<BR>
> free as well.  When's the last time you asked a PC for an insurance<BR>
> card or denied them medical care until they paid, or showed that<BR>
> they could pay for the care? <g><BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Hehehehe... Depending on the world they were on, PC's had often have to sell<BR>
equipment and/or weapons at times to certain medical procedures take place<BR>
(knowing the law in advance, knowing what would happen... most of my old<BR>
PC's took out Galactic Wide Medical Insurance of a type or two...  :^)<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:40:21 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: CT Fighting Ships<BR>
<BR>
I'm currently working on some ships for GT: Imperial Navy, and I seem to <BR>
have mis-placed my copy of the CT supplement Fighting Ships (I just moved <BR>
recently....).  IT is vital that I have access to this book to finish this <BR>
work, so I am hoping that some kind soul would be willing to scan a few <BR>
pages from it for me.  I need the following ship descriptions/stats:<BR>
<BR>
Chrysanthemum<BR>
Gionetti<BR>
Atlantic<BR>
Kokirrak<BR>
Tigress<BR>
Heavy Fighter<BR>
<BR>
If someone could scan and email these two me, I'd be forever in their debt.<BR>
<BR>
Thank you,<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
	     Gearhead-in-Training<BR>
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